Walang Utak ([info]diavana) wrote in [info]blackstones,
2005-08-17 19:23:00
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random interesting thing!

I was at work today, sorting through the company's royalty free images (those are pictures that advertising agencies pay for to use in their ads) when I came across something I thought was quite interesting!



I saw this and recognized the poses immediately! Haha. It was the excitement of my work day.






Pretty nifty, huh? I just thought it was a cool glimpse to Ai Yazawa-sensei's art process ^_^

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[info]selphish

August 17 2005, 19:28:45 UTC 6 years ago

Wow, pretty nifty!

[info]solarfacade

August 17 2005, 19:32:06 UTC 6 years ago

Haha, that is really neat! Do you think Yazawa's picture was based on that, or the other way round?

[info]diavana

August 17 2005, 19:51:26 UTC 6 years ago

I would bet Yazawa used the photo as a reference for her drawing ^_^

[info]sobloodycute

August 17 2005, 20:37:05 UTC 6 years ago

That's what I was thinking, too. Lots of artists use photos as references for poses, since most of the time it's too hard to get models to pose for you. XD I do it when drawing, too.

[info]milkfed

August 17 2005, 20:17:18 UTC 6 years ago

that is pretty cool!

[info]wingydingy

August 17 2005, 20:33:10 UTC 6 years ago

Manga artists use magazine photos for character poses all the time. This is solid evidence. It's nothing new, and there's nothing wrong with it, but for people who are serious about art, tracing a photo is kind of like cheating.

It's one reason why Norman Rockwell's works didn't have much artistic value: because he painted from photographs.

[info]diavana

August 17 2005, 20:35:08 UTC 6 years ago

I disagree.

[info]idolsbitch

August 17 2005, 20:54:23 UTC 6 years ago

that i'm aware...

tracing an image and working from a photograph are two completely different things. That i'm aware of, norman rockwell drew from photographs, but he didn't trace them, he just looked at them and drew them, like drawing a live model or a still life. I believe that ai yazawa probably did the same.. BUT i did notice that she takes a lot of real photographs and then places here hand drawings of the characters on top of the photographed scene (that might have been photoshoped to look more drawn), this technique i could see as being considered "cheating".

[info]megami

August 17 2005, 22:18:28 UTC 6 years ago

Re: that i'm aware...

Drawing from still life and drawing from a photograph are actaully pretty different. Drawing from life takes more effort because the photograph has already pre-rendered what you're drawing into a 2D medium.

[info]idolsbitch

August 17 2005, 23:55:01 UTC 6 years ago

Re: that i'm aware...

I can say from experience, that that's not true at all. but maybe that's just a matter of opinion? and what's easier from some artists or not... for me drawing from a photograph and from real life are exactly the same.

[info]megami

August 17 2005, 22:25:08 UTC 6 years ago

Re: that i'm aware...

Der, I misunderstood your post in the first reading, but I'm sure you get what I'm trying to say. ^^;

[info]cinnamonsugar

August 18 2005, 10:22:22 UTC 6 years ago

That's not called cheating, that's called using a reference picture. It's hard to just pull these poses out of your head and have it come out looking realistic without using a model or a photograph to get an idea of what it should look like.

[info]wings_of_ice

August 17 2005, 20:59:32 UTC 6 years ago

awesome. and there are artists who draw so realistically from a photo that its impossiable to tell the photo from the painting. Drawing from a photo is NOT cheating.

[info]naive_nostalgia

August 17 2005, 22:08:08 UTC 6 years ago

oi~~~ That just made my day XDDD Thanks so much for sharing!!!

[info]jep_star

August 17 2005, 22:19:59 UTC 6 years ago

WOW, that is real interesting! It's amazing you spotted that! You know your Nana ;P. Thanks for letting us see.

[info]diavana

August 17 2005, 22:33:07 UTC 6 years ago

Haha. I know-- it's rather sad that I spotted that right away when I think about it XD

[info]megami

August 17 2005, 22:20:49 UTC 6 years ago

I don't think Ai TRACED the photo as in put a piece of paper over it on a light box, but the fact that the poses are identical kinda makes me miffed. It's one thing to take elements from photo reference, and it's completely another to take the entire composition.

Quite honestly, this miffs me a little being an artist myself. :/

[info]diavana

August 17 2005, 22:28:24 UTC 6 years ago

That's silly.

I've been an art student for six years, and photo refs have always been helpful. Sure, in figure/still lifes studies, it is MUCH better to use a real life model. But phootographs are as helpful in other art studies. I know comic book artists personally who uses photo references and it does not undermine their artwork (for example, visit www.davidmack.net).

There is no difference from copying a figure/element from a photo, from copying the composition.

If the composition of the photo is perfect for the piece you have in mind-- then why solve the problem twice and try and re-create it when you already have it infront of you? Then that's just creating more unnecessary problems for yourself.

~shrugs~ Plus it is NOT easy to use a ref photo and make it look FANTASTIC as line art on a completely different style.

[info]megami

August 17 2005, 23:15:44 UTC 6 years ago

First of all, just because you disagree with me does not make my opinions "silly".

Photographs, IF used at all, are supposed to be used like you say: reference and help. Not to copy the entire thing and just change a few details. It depends on your training as to how easy it is. For a seasoned artist like Ai who makes her living on art, it can't be hard at all.

I fail to believe that Ai was so narrow minded in that the ONLY solution to her drawing was a composition that was one that was already done. That's not "creating more unnecessary problems"; that's thinking outside the box and being original.

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[info]bonza

August 17 2005, 22:41:26 UTC 6 years ago

That's so slick!! (*w*) And I think it's so cool to see that she still works from references! I think it's quite smart to work from a reference that will make your illo look better. You can't always get someone to model for you in all the right conditions, so why not take advantage of something that can help you out?! XD

Anyways... so cool... X3

[info]nana_oosaki

August 17 2005, 23:56:39 UTC 6 years ago

wahh...thats cool o.o~~

[info]histrionic

August 18 2005, 11:35:47 UTC 6 years ago

that is very cool.

heck, if i were not lazing about right now, i'd whip up my sketch book and draw that sucker. ai knows good poses when she sees them. it's all about the blasé rockstar.

[info]ricadonna

August 18 2005, 13:55:49 UTC 6 years ago

Cool~ :O

[info]tetzuo

August 21 2005, 09:57:22 UTC 6 years ago

are the same
wow

Anonymous

March 13 2011, 20:39:47 UTC 1 year ago

plagiarism

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